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Poster: craven714 Date: Jan 15, 2008 11:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Five Star show from 91, don't be afraid of the year

Thanx jots
91s are so good to me that I have every single 91 show
in the ol' ipod--luv it

but keep up the great suggestions....

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Jan 15, 2008 12:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Five Star show from 91, don't be afraid of the year

Here we go again. Stop Dissin' Vinnie. Seriously! The guy tried to slide into a really tough role, and I think, at least, that he did a really great job. He wasn't Brent, and for that matter, he wasn't Bruce. He couldn't have been. He was able to sing the high harmonies, and he played Synth exceptionally well.

Was it what the band needed? I think that he provided a spark at a time when it was needed. This could be debated. But, ultimately, I have to think that he performed his job well and in a sometimes hostile environment. I also like the songs he brought into rotation (for the most part).

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 15, 2008 12:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Five Star show from 91, don't be afraid of the year

must respectfully disagree (though I have nothing against Vince as an individual)

harmonies were relatively poor (painful in some instances - worse than Donna by far)

playing abilility was subpar at best (for the dead's repetoir) - in certain tunes his playing made me cringe.

Not bashing, just giving my opinion. (also hated his songs, but that is subjective obviously)

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Jan 15, 2008 1:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Five Star show from 91, don't be afraid of the year

Am I the only one who liked Vinnie?

The poor schnook.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 15, 2008 1:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Five Star show from 91, don't be afraid of the year

"The poor schnook."

i agree - always felt bad very few people couldnt stand him - seemed to even be personal at times.

wasnt his fault

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Jan 15, 2008 3:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Five Star show from 91, don't be afraid of the year

I know the subject has been discussed a ton of times but to throw my 2 cents in again. I really wanted Vince to work. He just didn't. Some of the problem was Cutler and bralove choosing the noises that came from his rigs.. The other part is that I don't think he progressed as a musician in this band. Whether your a video store clerk, accountant or keyboardist for the GD you would think after 5 years you would see a noticeable progression. For me, I did not see that. I'm not being antagonistic when I ask this but can anyone point me to a morning dew where you can actually hear his contributions? I can give you tons from Mydland and hornsby. was Vince turned down? Possibly. but if that's the case why have him in the band at all?

Not to be a total Vince basher...I will again offer up 12-31-91. A very nice night for Mr Welnick, especially since Hornsby is not present.

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Poster: orangejulius Date: Jan 15, 2008 2:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Five Star show from 91, don't be afraid of the year

No harmony vocals were worse than Donna pre-hiatus. It almost makes all those spectacular versions of Playing in the Band unlistenable when she does that god-awful off-pitch scream. I always wondered how the band could think that was musically pleasurable, especially during such awesome jams. To her credit, her vocals improved dramatically post-hiatus and generally complement the songs well. I don't think Vince's vocals were all that bad, especially in light of Jerry's stuggles on the microphone in the 90s.

Vince's playing can be debated; let's not forget the lackluster performances turned in by all during the "Vince Era". I thought Vince's playing was best when paired with Hornsby's piano. At times he provided a spark to an otherwise tepid performance; but he could also hold his own with the others. Check out Franklin's and GDTRFB from 9/19/90 for an example of Vince's contributions in an already awesome performance. http://www.archive.org/details/gd90-09-19.sbd.wiley.26081.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 16, 2008 5:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Five Star show from 91, don't be afraid of the year

love the name orange - makes me want to hit the mall and go get one :)

ok - i'll check that one out. I suppose since I have a bias against Vince, I should check out more than the ones i have listened to.

i agree with many of your points i.e. donna's caterwauling and the vince/bruce combo